• nomad says:

    I wonder what it would take to exploit this…

    Also, MT = Montana != Moveable Type

    This comment was posted on 14 October 2004 at 09:20
  • Logan says:

    Stupid acronym module should know that I mean Montana!

    I don’t think it’s really exploitable. The list contains some very-Republican states (Utah, Wyoming, the Dakotas), and some very-Democratic states (DC, New York), so it’d really need to be a totally cross-party candidate, like Ross Perot or something (and that’s not even a joke).

    But the more important point was that 48.38% Gore to 47.87% Bush was really quite close considering how weird things can really get with the current electoral system.

    This comment was posted on 14 October 2004 at 10:23
  • nomad says:

    I wasn’t thinking of swaying the voters that live there already, I was thinking more of something like The Free State Project.

    But yeah the point is that the 2000 election could have been alot more absurd, and as such, the 2004 election could also be alot more absurd.

    This comment was posted on 14 October 2004 at 10:51
  • Chris says:

    Wouldn’t it be interesting to flip the question? What is the minimum number of states a candidate needs to win to have a majority of the popular vote? Assumming 100% of the people vote, one would need to carry just 10 states (see the link provided).

    This is equally troubling to me. If we had a direct popular vote, someone could get zero votes in 40 states but still win the election by taking all the votes in the most populous states.

    While not perfect, I do feel that this is one of the electoral college’s bright points—it “pushes” one to have broad support rather than localized support in a few states. Check me on this, but I think that the EU requires a double majority for some things—-so you must win the majority of the popular vote, but also the majority of the countries involved.

    We might try this…but I suspect that a double majority would not be obtained in MOST elections. However, I do feel that we should keep to this federalist idea. The USA is a combination of states…and it is the states who should elect the president (not the people). The people may tell the states who to vote for and the states can decide on proportional or winner-take-all systems, but ultimately, it should be a state’s decision.

    A direct population vote “assumes” (perhaps that is not the best word) that population size is the best determiner of state’s value to the country. New York is a great financial center and the country would be in trouble without—perhaps not to the same degree, but there are farm states who also have great contributions to our country…and without them, we would also be in trouble. New York just happens to have a large population—one must remember that a large population and a great financial center are not equivalent….they don’t even imply each other.

    This comment was posted on 9 November 2004 at 12:51